-

 Waste family history section

Family Search Findings

These are for research purposes only - not a public webpage

 

Family Search Internet - LDS

Census Search Page, LDS

Rootsweb World Connect page

Searches - Rootsweb Database Index

 

Message Boards - State listing page

Windham County VT message board

 

US Genweb home search page

Roots and Roots

 

 Selected Manuscripts
The Vermont Historical Society
 Massachusetts Census Records, Ray's Place
 Early Massachusetts Marriage Records, Ray's Place  University of Vermont Special Collections at the Bailey/Howe Library

 Making of American Books, Univ. of Michigan - searchable

Cross Collection Search, U. of Michigan

 Ohio Memories

 Ohio Pix - Historical Collection

 Harvard Libraries

 Mayflower Families Document Center

 Library of Congress - American Memories

 The First American West: The Ohio River Valley, 1750-1820 - Library of Congress

Cornell University - the Making of America, searchable books
 

 

CSU Special Collections - Chico

CSU Photographs Search Page

CSU Maps

 California Heritage Digital Image Finding Aids, Bancroft Library

 California As I Saw It: 1849-1900, American Memories 

California.....Titles

Panoramic Maps, 1847-1929

 Panoramic Photographs Collection, Memories
  Yuba, Sutter, Colusa, Butte, and Tehama Counties, California Directory, 1885, at Ancestry.com   American History and Genealogy Project, California homepage

New York Public Library Digital Library Collection

their stereo collection

 National Archives

Archival Research Center

  Topowest Online Maps

 Internment.net - Butte County

 Historic USGS Maps of New England & New York

 American Time Capsule: Three Centuries of Broadsides and Other Printed Ephemera 

New England Ancestors.org

 California Historical Society

 Index of Early American Artists

 Index of Early American Maps

Newspaper Abstracts home

 Colonization - many links 

 Maps and Cartography, UC Berkeley

 TerraServer Maps - good, zoomable space pics

Migrations Project

Hargrett, Univ. of Georgia Rare Map Collection - Colonial America 

 Archiving Early America at Early America.com

 Plymouth Colony Archive Project, Univ. of Virginia

 Massachusetts Bay Colony links page

 Detailed maps on CD for sale, e.g, map of Windham County, Vermont 1856 and

Plymouth County

 California State Library Catalogs

source: California and other western state, c. 1890-1901, old LA, Pasadena

 1895 US Atlas

 Maritime History Project
 


 Best Waste Genealogies online
49. - Aylesworth page
Hurlbut - Waste genealogy list
Francis West and descendants - Mayflower Database
Waste - McClanahan connection
Ancestors of Margaret Crapo: includes Bezaleel, Charles Waste, etc.
Michael Hone family - includes Waste, McIntosh, Helphinstine - goes far back
Pedigree Forest - starts with Matthew West
Uri Waste's complete Waste genealogy back to Mathew West (Hurlbut family)
Early Wastes (Ladd connections) - many related families going back to England
Olney Connection - Bezaleel family 
 Fairview Cemetery, NY and Waste Family
West - Waste records together with Sprague family
John Shaw of Plymouth Plantation in Progress - Waste info
Early Wast from Misbach.org


 


New: William Harrison Waste, included in California legislature list

 

Mary Jane Ewing

Ewing and Rosehill, Virginia

 Mary Ewing Waste DAR record

Mrs. Mary Ewing Waste.
DAR ID Number: 73206
Born in Lee County, Va.
Wife of William Harrison Waste.
Descendant of Benjamin Sharp.
Daughter of Archibald P. Ewing (d. 1872) and Rowena Ross Taylor, his wife, m. 1868.
Granddaughter of William Addison Taylor (1811-85) and Argyra C. Sharp (d. 1865), his wife, m. 1841.
Gr-granddaughter of John Debos Sharp (b. 1789) and Polly Neal, his wife.
Gr-gr-granddaughter of Benjamin Sharp and Hannah Fulkerson, his wife, m. 1787.
Benjamin Sharp (1762-1844) served as a private from Washington County, Va., under Col. William Campbell at Kings Mountain. He was born in Lancaster County, Pa.; died in Warren County, Mo.

Benjamin Sharp at the
Battle of King's Mountain
Oct 1780

Benjamin Sharp details

 Lee County, VA gen web

  New River Notes, Lee County History

 Clan Ewing in America

 Ewing Immigrants in America before 1776

 


McIntosh Relative Search Findings

 

John Jackson Waste, Mary McIntosh and Helphinstines

J.J. Waste cemetery location

Glenn County Gen Web

Mechanics Institute history
 

  John Jackson Waste - Mary McIntosh records

Orland Historical Society

 Helphinstine Colusa record

 JJW- records 2

Colusi County Historical Society

Colusi Links page

Colusa County Gen / Historical help

Colusa Lookups

 Jack Waste, teacher in Weaverville

 Jack Waste orchestra of Seattle teacher Greg Bachar

 Unknown Soldiers and Dr. Waste, Nevada

 Old Lake George stereo images

* Lake Champlain-Lake George Historical Site*

 Warren County NY US Genweb

Warren County Historical Society

Applegate Trail (image)

Covered Wagon periodical index

Canyon House Cemetery lists Frederick McIntosh

Canyon House Gravesite mentioned in Chapter 3 of Gold Rush People page

Hollenbeck, Edna R. "Trees and Graves Mark Site of Canon House." Covered Wagon (1966): 40-42. (Frederick McIntosh, 1853, Colusa County)

Canyon Bottom settlement, Shasta Co. 1998:68
Canyon Creek, Trinity Co. mining 1995:6; map 1995:iv
Canyon House, historic site 1999:78
Canyon House, stopping place 1998:68

Canon Creek - 30N-2E on old 1912 Shasta map

McIntosh, Bruce, dairy farmer 1999:16
McIntosh, Elizabeth Catey, grave 1999:78
McIntosh, Frederick, accidental death 1999:78

Canyon Cemetery, Shasta record 

**My Trip Across the Plains...page, with Lone Tree story**

*My McIntosh Virginia Records*

Marriages McIntosh Kentucky 

My McIntosh Kentucky Records*

McIntosh Landing and Island on list

  Old McIntosh page - Kentucky
 Newspaper Abstracts (Tehama)

 
Union List of Fire Insurance Maps - California L-M

Colusa County Surname Registry

Fruit Crate Art: includes Hamilton City
 CSU:L.H. McIntosh trustee page

Willows Public Library -Genealogy and Local History, Bibliography page

 County of Glenn homepage

 Colusa Genweb Archives

 

James McIntosh - Huntingdon County, Pennsylvania, etc.

James McIntosh origins link: son Joseph was born in Huntington County, Pennsylvania

 Huntingdon County Historical Society

 eHistory's Geographic Placenames in Pennsylvania History

  Huntingdon County, PA Rootsweb records (nothing good yet)

 Rebecca McIntosh gen page

Nancy McIntosh, sister of Frederick

James McIntosh descendency

 Perry McIntosh reference, East Coast family

 Great James McIntosh descendancy page

 Frederick McIntosh parents and family gen page

 

 McIntosh Family Genealogy Forum
 *Ahentafel - Helphinstine, McIntosh, etc

 Mary Catherine McIntosh genealogy page includes her brothers and sisters and Lone Tree Ranch, Colusa County

 Mary Catherine McIntosh's family genealogy:

some of her brothers and sisters children were born in Goddard, Fleming Co., KY

 *Chico Examiner - 100 years ago stories*
 

Mary's family

 Lewis Harrison McIntosh bio

 *My Lewis Harrison Waste bio page

 Chico State Normal School (1887-1921) - L.H. McIntosh listed

 James McIntosh _Rachel Arseby wedding record, Dec. 4, 1822 - related?

from Bath County KY gen page

  James Thomas McIntosh bio - story of party at "the Bay ranch"
  *My James Thomas McIntosh info page

 John William McIntosh info

 *My John William McIntosh page

 Jones family merger with McIntosh

 John W. McIntosh -1872

Glenn County, CA - Index to Federal Land Patents

Sarah Ann McIntosh family genpage

*John Francis Cooper bio*

AHGP California home page

Frederick Stansell and Mary Catherine McIntosh

 John W. McIntosh - Sacramento, Gold (living relative?)

 

The McIntosh Family of Georgia

General Lachlan McIntosh, Fort McIntosh, McIntosh County, Georgia, etc.

Lachlan McIntosh, Our Georgia History

  Georgia and the American Revolution

 Lachlan McIntosh gen page

 William McIntosh gen page

John Mohr McIntosh gen page, Lachlan's father

 John McIntosh gen page

 McIntosh County Genweb page

Fort McIntosh, Georgia

McIntosh House: Chief McIntosh historical marker

John Houston McIntosh historical marker

 McIntosh Family of McIntosh County historical marker

The McIntosh Family Cemetery

Located on U.S. 17, 1.7 miles south of the South Newport River in South Newport, Ga.

 Rice Hope historical marker

John McIntosh Kell historical marker, "Laurel Grove"

Darien historical marker

General's Island historical marker, the home of Lachlan's family

William Bartram (Donald McIntosh) historical marker

 Clan McIntosh index

Fort McIntosh, the story of it's history, etc.
Maps of Pennsylvania County evolution

 Fort Laurens

Beaver County history

McIntosh Sugar Mills

Chief William McIntosh

 John McIntosh Kell, Naval Historical Center

Recollections of a Naval Life
Including the Cruises of the Confederate States Steamers
"Sumter" and "Alabama":

John McIntosh Kell, 1823-1900

Chief William McIntosh gen page

2nd gen page
 
   

 

Lone Tree Ranch is now in Glenn County

 Shasta County Historical Society

 Lone Tree House record

Capay School District, included "MacIntosh School"
 
   

 Glenn County GenWeb

 Lone Tree - origin of the famous name

 Colusa "Sun" names list

 Waste and Helphinstine Residence pictures and info at CSU

 Colusa County Clerk - includes historical archives

 Colusi County Historical Society

 Colusa County US Genweb

 Butte County Guide

 Butte County Things To Do
 
   

 

Contemporary Wastes

Robert Waste, Ph.D., Calif. State Univ., Sacramento

Directory of this department

Robert J. Waste


Fleming County, Kentucky links

Goddard Covered Bridge

The Goddard White Bridge is one of three remaining in Fleming County. It is 90 feet long, has unique construction, and is open for traffic.

Goddard Bridge

 Fleming County has long since been considered the "Covered Bridge Capital of Kentucky". During the 1950's, eight of Fleming County's 18 covered bridges were still being used by traffic. By 1964, the number had dwindled to four, and with the arson of the Sherburne Bridge on April 6, 1981, only three remain. Of these three covered bridges, only one remains open to traffic, the Goddard Covered Bridge.

Goddard, Kentucky

Goddard is a Fleming county community on KY 32 at Sand Creek southeast of Flemingsburg. The area was settled early in the nineteenth century and the name comes from Joseph Goddard, an early settler. The post office opened as Sandford in 1881, was renamed Goddard in 1902, and closed in 1958. The community was also known at various times as Hamburg and Tuffy.

A covered bridge crosses Sand Creek at Goddard.

Fleming County, KENTUCKY: 1850 Census Index

includes Helphinstines

Northern Kentucky Old Stuff online!

 Paris, Bourbon County

 Bourbon County Genealogy

Kentucky County GenWeb Main Page

Bluegrass area map and history

Bath County genweb

Harrison County - Cynthiana

 Kentucky Digital Maps
 
   
   

 

 

Fleming County, Kentucky: Helphinstines, etc.

Helphenstines move to California details

Helphinstine - Goddard Cemeterey link

Jack Waste and Helphinstine gen web includes many related families, Kentucky, Ohio, etc.

History of Fleming County

2nd history of Fleming County

Fleming County Historical Page

Fleming County Genealogy Home Page

Fleming County Gen Guestbook

Fleming County old records page

 1852 Fleming County Kentucky Births

( possible to search other years)

 
*My Rebecca Wolf Helphenstine history and family page

KY County Archives TOC

Helphinstine-Doyle Records Page

  Dr. Frances Helphinstine faculty, Morehead State Univ.

  Frances L. Helphinstine: Professor of English (Ph.D., Indiana University) Renaissance Literature, Drama

Helphinstine's in Hillsboro

Goddard Cemetary Helphinstine link

 Mrs. Robert & Dr. Frances Helphinstine, 15 Apr 1978, 533 graves -+ 135 unmarked

 George W. Helphinstine and others gen web page, from Fleming County

Helphinstines, Daviess County, etc.
 

*My Helphinstine Family page*

 

Virginia Helphinstines

"Jacob Helphinstine gen page with history"

Peter Helphenstine's complete records!

*My Peter Helphenstine records page

Philip Helphenstine gen link

History of Virginia: German arrivals in Shenendoah Valley, etc.

Helphinstine Family Bible Records

 John Helphinstine, born 8 Jul 1777 in Winchester, Frederick, Va

Died: 7 Jul 1832
Washington, Davies, In

 

Ship "Recovery" Passenger List with Peter Helfenstine

Old Spice Bottle and Ship Recovery / and part 2

 

Genealogy...
Orr/Stephenson/Tackett/Helphenstine/Wolfe/
Brombach/Kemper/Schmidt
2002 - 1495

John Philip Jacob Helphenstein

* My John Philip Jacob Helphenstein's bio and will page

 

Major Peter Philip Helfenstein arrived on the ship Recovery at
Wilmington, Cape Fear, NC October 23, 1754. The ship's
passengers were listed as "Rhineland Immigrants from
Palatinate".

See Passenger List
See Palatinate Emigration


He was a founder of the German Lutheran congregation in
Winchester, 1762.


See History of Winchester

Winchester Online


His name appears in a document, written in Latin,
placed in the cornerstone of the church. He is buried next to the
old church in Mt. Hebron cemetery, Winchester, VA.


Read his will

 

Helphinstine history, including Fleming County, KY

1: another Helphinstine gen page

2: another Helphintine gen page

The Great Palatinate Migration

Germany Helphenstine History

*My Germany Helphenstine History page

Burg Helphenstine page

Helphenstein royalty page

Brother Henry H. Helphinstine, War of 1812 veteran

 


Civil War

**My Civil War Waste Records page**

New York Waste Civil War Records

Wisconsin Volunteers List, Wisconsin Historical Society

3rd Wisconsin Cavalry Regiment, Battles,
Skirmishes, and Expeditions: US Civil War site

 

New York Waste Records

New York Wastes page
 Washington County Historical Society  
   

 

Ohio Waste Records

 Geauga County Historical Society
Expulsion and Emigration of the Mormons.
   

 

 

Wisconsin Waste Records

Wisconsin Wastes page

Mt. Hope Cemetery, Monroe Co. Waste listing

Monroe County US Genweb

 Eau Claire Co. WIGenWeb
 
   
   

 

Minnesota Waste Records

Minnesota Wastes page

 Wabasha County US Genweb

 Dr. J.P. Waste bio

History of Wabasha County 

 History of Plainview

Plainview Area History Center

Welcome to Otter Tail County

Otter Tail Co. gov site

Minnesota Death Records 

Minnesota Historical Society
 
   
   

Indiana

 Daviess County genweb

Washington Township records

  Veale Township records, lists members of Veale family
 

 

Iowa Waste Records

Iowa Wastes page

 

New Hampshire

Rockingham County genweb
 

 

Illinois Waste Records

Illinois Wastes page

 Uriah Balcom and Patience's Waste family moved to Carroll County, Illinois
 

 

Pennsylvania Waste Records

 Conneaut Township Waste Record

A Genealogical Tour of
Crawford County, Pennsylvania

 


Ira Charles Waste

*New info*

Look up Charles Waste obit

 

1840 Federal Census - Waste

Ira Charles Waste research page

Warren Waste story

Mormon History Timeline

 "Winter Quarters" - aftermath of incident

  Luke's son William Waste and Sarah Jane Day, married Chester, Geagua, Ohio

 Cuyahoga Rootsweb

  Mrs. Luke Waste

Cuyahoga County GenWeb Project

Warren Waste link ?

Joseph Smith tarring & bio

Trumbull, Ohio - County

Trumbull County - Ohio County Almanac

 Geauga County, Chardon Village Cemetery lists Waste family members

1826 Map, Western Reserve

 Trumbull County Photo Album

  Welcome to Geauga County, Ohio -Roots web

Marriage records

1790-1860 Ohio Census - Waste records

my page

 Olive Levina Waste, daughter of Zelotus Waste

 Photogallery - Geauga

Dr. J. P. Waste Biography,


"HISTORY OF WABASHA COUNTY"

James R. Waste family, father of Charles E. Waste

 Betsy Jane Waste record
Memorial To The Pioneer Women Of The Western Reserve, references to Mrs. Luke Waste and J.P. Waste 

 Harold James Waste record

 

Jane Hogle links

Hogle gen page 1

Hogle 2

Note Capt. Hogle's town of birth

The Hogel List

 Jane Hogle - a Hogle family genealogy

 a Jane Hogle New York reference
   
   
   

 


Bezaleel Waste, Jr.

*Bezaleel Jr. family genealogy*

 Diadama & Bezaleel son- Luke Waste family
  Luke Waste & parents gen page

 Hanover, MA Marriage Records

To 1800

with Diadama Bishop

Geauga County records listing Bezaleel, Jr., and Zelotus Waste

Geauga County, Ohio Genweb Index

Chardon Ohio history

 

Ebenezer Waste Family

Alexander Gault's history (father-in-law of Charles Waste, Ebenezer's son)

Conneaut Township Waste Record

Charles H. Waste obituary

 

*New info*


Bezaleel Waste, Sr.

Catalogue of the principal officers of Vermont, as connected with its political history, from 1778 to 1851, with some biographical notices, &c., by Leonard Deming.
Deming, Leonard, 1787-1853.
112 p. 24 cm.
Middlebury [Vt.]
The author,
1851.
The original "Bezaleel" passages from Old Testament

 * Vermont Historical Gazetteer
a local History of all the Towns in the State,
Civil, Educational, Biographical, Religious and Military.
Vol. V.
The Towns of Windham County
.*

Published 1891

 Index of /pub/usgenweb/vt/windham

Windham County USgenweb coordinator page

Lake George book online, published 1868

 Windham County, Vermont
Local History and Genealogy

*Lake Champlain-Lake George Historical Site*

 Famous Vermonters,

surveyors, etc.

 Bellows Falls, Vermont

 History of Vermont

Vermont USGENWEB index

 Whitingham Town Index (short)

 Whitingham Historical Society - address, info only

 New England Historical Photograph Archives

 Vermont History-Maps Page

 Whitingham, Virtual Vermont link

Whitinham History Page

Deerfield Valley News

 Green Mountain Boys - Battle of Bennington, 1777

Ethan Allen

Bezaleel was born in Norton, Mass

Norton Historical Society has pictures

Uri Waste record

 Barnstable County US Genweb page

 Vermont Find-a-museum

Brooks Memorial Library, Brattleboro

 Virtual Vermont

Cutting Cemetery is also known as Intervale Cemetery
   

 

Wilmington - Whitingham, Vermont Places To Contact

Town of Wilmington website

 Deerfield Valley News

History of Memorial Hall, Wilmington

Historic Route 7A

Whitingham Historical Society
Whitingham, VT

Mailing Address:
P.O. Box 125
Jacksonville, VT 05342

Tools, photographs, household furnishings, church furniture, and a library with old diaries are located in a former church.

Contact Person: Elaine Maynard, President

Historical Society of Windham County
Route 30, Newfane, VT

Mailing Address:
P.O. Box 246
Newfane, VT 05345

Telephone: 802-365-4148

The society displays all types of artifacts from towns in Windham County from the late 1700s through early 1900s in a 2-story brick building. Activities include 4-6 programs May to Oct.

Contact Person: Joan Marr, Curator; Michael Granger, President

 

 French and Indian War /American Revolution

Fort Ticonderoga, National Historic Park

**My Waste Rev War Records page**

 

New York Waste Family - centered around Ticonderoga

Ives Cemetery, Dickinson - John Holman Waste, etc.

Dickinson, Franklin County, New York - Fairview Cemetery (family of John Holman Waste)

 

 


Charles N. Waste

*New info*

 

Charles gen page - Mayflower Data Base

Rochester Historical Society
History of Bristol Co. ,
Massachusetts with
Biographical Sketches
of many of its Pioneers and Prominent Men - 1883

 Middleborough Marriage Records To 1800

From Early Massachusetts Marriages Prior to 1800

 Charles purchase of land in Rochester

 Town of Middleborough

 Founding of Dartmouth

 Town of Dartmouth

 iDartmouth.com

Charles N. Waste - great family Rootweb page

Best-known Waste family genealogy - including Charles and Bezaleels

 Daughter Sarah Waste

 2nd link

  Daughter Elizabeth

 2nd link

Stone Furnaces and Iron Men

Wilmington Gen Site has details about Charles

 Their son Bezaleel was born in Norton, Mass

Norton Historical Society has pictures

Saugus Ironworks Natl. Park

 A Day in the Life of a Smelter

  Deborah Williamson gen page

 Iron Industry in New England

 List of historic sites 

Historic Crown Point, New York

 1650: First American ironworks, Saugus

Charles and daughter Mercy Waste

Charles land purchase

 Apponagansett Meetinghouse, Dartmouth, Bristol County, MA - bw pictures

 Richard Waste, killed in action at Crown Point record

Sarah Waste's husband Peter Crapo's bio info

 

Gurney Bridge, 1820-1824

Freetown, Mass

Iron Works, Freetown

Olde Dartmouth Scenery Slideshow 
   

 

Eli Waste

 US National Archives & Records Administration (NARA)

 *NARA uses Eli Waste as an example!*

2nd NARA example!

 Eli Waste details

 Eli Waste gen page, with children

Elizabeth Waste, Stephen Waste, Jr. - Badcock connection

Eli Waste, Treasurer of Monroe County, Wisconsin, 1869-1871

 Eli Waste cemetery, Wiscsonsin

 


Richard Waste

 Duxbury, MA Marriage Records

To 1788, From Early Massachusetts Marriages Prior to 1800 - Richard and Mary's marriage record

 Mary Samson gen page

 Mayflower Passenger List

 The Colonial Gazette - Mayflower Center

 



Francis John West

Feb. 2005 New Francis Waste genealogy

 

 

**New Info: Francis West, Jr. family**Which Francis???

Francis West of Duxbury, Mass.
From A Survey of the Descendants of Francis West of Duxbury
by Carlton Prince West (Winston Salem NC, 1987)

Profiles in tedium: The Constables of Duxbury - Francis West (?)
Sexual Misconduct in Plymouth Colony - Francis West (?)
 Remember origin of West Island!
 Francis West origin controversy notes

Francis West, Sr.

Washington County, RI US Genweb

Rhode Island Historical Cemeteries Transcription Project

  Francis Wast/West genealogy page

  Research of D. G. Weymouth
  Bridgewater GenWeb
 Duxbury US Gen Web  Duxbury History

 Duxbury Historical Society
 Book online: History of Bridgewater  Plimoth-on-web

 Francis Wast/West gen page

William West gen page 
   

Plymouth Colony

Pilgrim Hall Museum

Their online history exhibit starts here

Their George Soule page

Plymouth Colony Grows page

Alden.org

Dartmouth Purchase, included George Soule

"Search this site for people" lists, Mayflower Document Center

 

Francis John West was born in Duxbury, Plymouth, MA about 1630. Francis died January 2, 1696 in North Kingstown, Washington, RI.

He married Susannah Soule in Duxbury, Plymouth, MA, about 1680.

Francis John West was the father of Richard Waste

 

 


Matthew West

Matthew West gen page

 His family
 Mathew's children

 His wife: Nicholes West

 Matthew West gen page

Pedigree Forest

 The father of Francis was Matthew West

 Matthew West was born in 1598 in England. He died in 1659 in Rhode Island, USA

 Historical Records of Tisbury, Mass - Martha's Vineyard

 

 

 


Thomas West

Thomas West gen page "Long Island Genealogy"

2nd Thomas West page, with children

The father of Matthew was Thomas West

Thomas West was born about 1564 in Harsworth, England - Thirteenth Generation

A Thomas West was a passenger on the "Mary and John"

THE 1633/4 PASSENGER LIST FOR THE "MARY & JOHN"


The father of Thomas West was Richard West

Richard was born about 1534 in Harsworth, Buckinghamshire, England

The father of Richard West was Thomas West.
Thomas was born in Aylsbury, Buckinghamshire, England

The father of Thomas West was Charles West, who was born Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England

 

West Family and Ireland

West Familywest_startpage.html


Various Wastes

 Waste in Clarion, PA, 1766 - 1846

Orson Waste: DIRECTORY
OF JACKSONVILLE STATE HOSPITAL PATIENTS
1854 - 1870
 
   

 

 

Dutch Flat and Alta area

Gold Run stereographs

Stereographs of the West from The Bancroft Library Pictorial Collection, ca. 1858-1906 - McDonald section

includes Salt Lake City

resume for more Dutch Flat - old Pasadena